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After writing the last update on our Water4Gas test it occurred to me that to make any modifications of my own would be stepping outside the guidelines that I had set for this test. The aim was to take the information that we bought and apply it in a practical environment and post the results. Nothing more, nothing less.

The reason for this is that these ‘products’ are being marketed in a way that makes the buyer believe that there are no special skills or equipment required to successfully implement them. One example of this taken from the sales page:-

We have water-to-energy converters running in all our vehicles since 2006. YOU CAN, TOO! I’m about to show you a SIMPLE technology you can have right now, called Water4Gas. It’s one of the most PRACTICAL free-energy devices, marked by extraordinary simplicity and effectiveness.

Now, up until we had the mixture control problem that you can read about here I was reasonably comfortable with what we were doing. From the results of our (very basic) mileage test we saw an improvement of just over 9% (9.22% to be exact). Things were looking kind of positive.

After we noticed the car running rich I went back to the information to re-read the methods described for combating this issue. I’ll be honest, I hadn’t paid too much attention to this previously and I didn’t think it would be such a big issue to deal with when the time came.

The problems we are having WILL NOT happen on a diesel or carby-fed engine. I would still like to see the results of using this system on both of these engines. I suspect these engines would see better results than an efi engine. Got a spare diesel or carb engine anyone???

I’ll explain again what I believe is happening with our engine. The exhaust gases have more oxygen in them due to the introduction of the HHO gas and the computer interprets this as a ‘running lean’ condition and attempts to rectify the situation by opening the injectors earlier and for longer, resulting in increased fuel usage.

To turn this situation around we need to tap into the signal travelling from the oxygen sensor or mass air flow meter/manifold absolute pressure sensor to the computer and ‘modify’ the voltage that the computer receives so that it reverts back to it’s normal fuel settings. Sounds easy in theory, right? Sure it can be easily achieved BUT without any means of testing what air/fuel ratio we are running and with potential damage being done by ‘leaning out’ the mixture too far we could easily be doing something detrimental to the engine.

Typically when setting air/fuel mixtures or ‘maps’ on a fuel injected vehicle, such as tuning an aftermarket ecu to a modified engine you rely almost entirely on a stoich meter (air/fuel ratio meter) to get your ratio as close to 14.7/1 as possible and to avoid ‘lean out’ at high rpm. Unfortunately in this case a stoich meter is useless as it will read true exhaust gas levels indicating a constant lean mixture (due to the added oxygen from the HHO gas). In-dash air/fuel ratio meters typically read off the signal from the oxygen sensor so once again useless.

Here is how the author of Water4Gas recommends you ‘tune’ your mixture altering device.

Now for actual tuning on the road.

1. Turn the knob all the way to “rich” (it should be fully counter clockwise if you
   hooked it as shown in the last photos of this chapter). This will be factory
   original.
2. Make sure your water device is operational. Warm up the engine and drive a while before messing with the knob.
3. DO THE NEXT STEP WITH CARE – ON A SIDE ROAD - JUST IN CASE YOUR ENGINE STOPS UNEXPECTEDLY.
4. Now start turning the knob clockwise, the mixture will turn leaner and leaner until the car stalls or bucks as you drive. Back the knob off slightly after the bucking and chugging.
5. Keep the danger of overheating in mind. If your Water4Gas device is non operational temporarily, set the enhancer at or near original factory setting (rich).
6. Another thing I’ve noticed is that set points change from one gas station fuel to another, weather conditions, cold engine, etc. The differences are not large, but if you’re on the edge then the car will buck or vibrate and you’ll need to change the set point a bit. Remember that this is a simple device. There is no point in computerizing it, it will require a whole new programmable ECU which is a very costly thing for most drivers and countries.

NOTE: When this device turns on the “check engine light”, and it WILL do that, you can turn off the light using a ScanGauge-II (1996 cars or newer).

As I said earlier, up until this mixture control problem I was reasonably comfortable with what we were doing, but this!! The Camry is probably worth 3 grand if we’re lucky but I won’t be attempting this little modification that’s for sure.

For this mod to be even remotely safe for your engine depends on a number of variables. Namely:-

1. That the Hydrolyzer is producing enough HHO gas to keep combustion chamber temperatures under control. (If you read some of the comments on previous posts it stands to reason that we are not producing a great amount of gas here and there is no documented testing of the expected volume of these units)
2. That the gas is getting to the engine. Apparently the ‘elbows’ used are prone to blocking up
3. That the driver and I quote “Doesn’t overwork the engine by leaning it too much”. How much is too much? How long is a piece of string?

Even if you are ‘car-savvy’ enough to wire in one of these devices could you be confident that you would be able to tune it to a level that would improve your mileage but not lean the mixture to a potentially dangerous level? Sure in the short term everything might be fine but I have to wonder about the long term effects. Way to many variables and not enough documented testing for my liking and I cannot see someone with a relatively new vehicle going to these lengths.

The only plausible solution that I could come up with is to fit a thermo-couple fitting to one of the spark plugs running back to a dash mounted temp gauge to keep an eye on cylinder head temperatures and use a programmable mixture adjustment device that will control the output over a number of load points OR mapping out the sensor readings across a wide range of engine loads without the gas and then using the same programmable unit to replicate these readings with the gas unit installed.

Neither is something that is easily or cheaply achieved. In my opinion the device that is mentioned in the Water4Gas book would be a difficult install for the vast majority of motorists and it certainly gives new meanings to the words simplicity and effectiveness.

JayCar here in Aus has a diy kit that gives you total control over the air/fuel ratio’s for around $80.00 plus it needs a hand controller (or pc) to set the parameters - another $60.00. The time taken to put these kits together and install and tune the lot - Priceless!

Disappointing but it has been an interesting experiment to do and I have certainly learnt a lot from the process, more from people leaving comments than what is in the books though! I got enough out of it to feel that is was worth the $97.00 that the system costs however I detest the way it is being marketed.

There really needs to be some explaining done as to what is needed to ‘optimize’ the system for efi vehicles, even if the methods they recommend are far from ideal. To answer the question posed in the original post - I won’t go quite as far as saying that the system itself is a scam, I would like to see it installed on a diesel or carby engine before drawing that conclusion but I definitely have to say that the way it is marketed is a complete scam.

I am going to finish this post off with a quote that had me nearly falling off my chair with laughter. It is something that should be straight from the X Files but in reality it comes from the fuel saving report in question. I’ll be expecting a copyright breach notice after this post but this is too good to leave out.

Now the problem shows its ugly face when we discover that the computer – your vehicle’s computer – has been pre-designed to protect the vested interest of those who would like to see you waste fuel like crazy. While pretending to be your friends.

The truth is out there.

Craig

After receiving a number of emails and one comment on the original Run Your Car On Water post asking how it is all going I decided to write this little update.

Nothing real ground breaking to report other than after we had driven 1000km’s or so it became apparent that the signal from the oxygen sensor will need to be modified to keep the fuel mixture in check. The need for this is explained in the downloads and I knew it would be necessary sooner rather than later however I wanted to test the system in it’s most basic form before taking it any further.

The oxygen sensor is reading that there is more oxygen in the exhaust gases and the ECU is compensating for this by keeping the injectors open for longer on each cycle causing the engine to run rich. This was evident in the smell of the catalytic convertor after even a short drive, similar to when the car is taken for an extended ’spirited’ drive and the dark, sooty coating on the spark plugs.

A couple of ‘fixes’ for this are outlined in the Water 4 Gas downloads, however I am going to take the time to research what I think is the best way to achieve this mixture adjustment. The most viable method seems to be using an adjustable electronic ‘pot’ to control the signal from the oxygen sensor to the computer but rather than going by ’seat of the pants’ feel to tune it I am going to use an air/ fuel ratio (Stoich) meter to keep an eye on things.

If you are thinking of installing a HHO system on your fuel injected car be aware that you will need to modify the mixture input to your computer and after looking at the methods outlined in the manual in detail I’m not convinced that the solutions offered are suitable for long-term use of the system. I am probably over-complicating the procedure with what I am doing but I want to know that what I am doing is working, and working well.

Other than setting the mixture control gear up I also want to make a more robust set of Hydrolyzers. The original single unit has worked well however I came across some great containers at one of the cheap shops near home that I think will be better suited. On top of this I want to add a ‘bubbler’ to the system for added safety. A bubbler is merely a tube of around 25mm in diameter and about 20cm long and half filled with water. The idea is that the tube running from the two Hydrolyzers is attached to the bottom of the tube, the outlets to the engine are in the top cap and as the HHO gas is produced it bubbles up through the water and through the hoses to the engine. Should we have a backfire, which is possible when trying to lean the mixture out, any flame will be stopped by the water in the bubbler before getting any further.

So there we have it, that is where we are at right now. I am slowly gathering the bits and pieces needed for the changes and we will keep you posted on any results as they arise. If only there were more hours in a day!

Run Your Car On Water - Not EFI Friendly By A Long Shot

Craig 

 We finally have some results! 

 My aim was to test the Water 4 Gas system in a practical way that would mimic how it would be used by everyday drivers. As a number of people have pointed out the theory behind the system may well be fundamentally flawed however I don’t have the knowledge to even comment on this and chose to test it from a purely practical viewpoint.

 So what is now yesterday (Friday) the fuel light came on for the first time with this tank of fuel (and subsequently went off when I was about to take the photo!) and this is what we got.

 462 Kilometres from 55.9 Litres of fuel. You might remember our benchmark was 423 Kilometres without the Water 4 Gas system installed. Can this increase of 39 Kilometres be attributed to the system alone? I would love to be able to answer that question. Certainly the driving habits of my wife, who drives the car 99% of the time, haven’t changed that much in the last week and a half - either flat out or stopped!

 The driving was done in the same conditions as before with Belinda using the car mostly for work of a night and a couple of trips to the day care centre and back during the day and of course the odd trip to the shops. If I had spent more time in the car I could have put it down to the fact that I was aware of what we were testing and taken it a bit easier but I don’t feel that twenty-odd kilometres of driving is going to make that much difference. Maybe I’m wrong but I plan on testing this long-term so future tests might reveal more about what is actually going on.

 As for the ’system’ we have running, basically it comprises of a single ‘cell’ made to the specs. in the Water 4 Gas downloads. I went with the basic system for a start just to get an idea of whether or not it was worth pursuing and given these initial results I am curious to expand on it and see what happens.

  The Rocket Ship - Not!

  A shot showing the single ‘cell’

  The two gas output lines

 To summarize our test results:-

Distance Travelled -  462.2 Kilometres (287.07 Miles) Fuel Used - 55.9 Litres (14.76 U.S. Gallons) Average Consumption - 12.09 Litres/100km (19.44 Miles Per Gallon) Down From 13.19 Litres/100km (17.82 Miles Per Gallon)

 To answer the question, is this a money saver or scam, I have to say that the initial test results are looking positive. From the information on the Water 4 Gas site there is still plenty that we can do to improve on the system such as fitting more than one “cell” so it should be remembered that this test was done with only the very basics in place.

 I understand that the ’science’ behind these systems is a bit vague to say the least and is a very hotly debated topic even on this blog however I think that we did achieve what we set out to do with this test and that was to put all theory aside for a moment and test it in a practical way.

 Once again I am sure this post will attract it’s fair share of comments, both negative and positive and I ask one thing, that the language be kept clean and keep the comments on topic. This site is read by people of all ages. Cheers.

Run Your Car On Water - Quick Update No.2

Run Your Car On Water - Not EFI Friendly By A Long Shot

Craig