Comments on: Run Your Car On Water - Not EFI Friendly By A Long Shot

By: dave

dave — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:42:33 +0000

hello,

This is a total joke, I have tried this and it does nothing to improve mileage, unless of course you lean your engine to a danger point. As for leaning with this device installed, they have NO actual proof that this unit will make it safe for the engine to be leaned. They just say that it will be safe, and DON’T LISTEN TO THE EXPERTS” quote from ozzie freedom. The truth is, you can lean your engine and get better results than what they offer, the facts are, you will be destroying your engine. You will know this when you have a $3000.00 or more engine repair bill, but, at least, you will have that $259.00 that you saved on gas to put towards the repair. I STRONGLY recommend that you DO NOT do this to your car.

Good Luck,

dave

By: craig

craig — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:02:45 +0000

HI Bart,
I have looked at these ‘extenders’ and yes, I think it is a much better idea than modifying the O2 sensor signal electrically but I am still very reserved about reporting on a device that changed air/fuel mixture without any reliable method of measuring the combined HHO/Fuel/Air mixture.
To be honest if I was doing this test for myself and not writing the results up I would use one of those extenders on the O2 sensor. Maybe I will throw caution to the wind and give it a go.
The last thing I want is someone to take what I write as a ‘promotion’ for any of the mixture controlling methods and go ahead and damage their engine. Not good! I’ll see how I feel about it over the next couple of days but if I decide to do it you will get to see the longest disclaimer ever written!
Thanks for stopping by.

Rene,
I am aware of the units from Eagle Research however once again there is no accurate method for testing how lean the HHO/Fuel/Air mixture is running and therefore no way of knowing if there is the potential for engine damage. To my way of thinking it is just too risky.
Thanks for your comment.

Regards
Craig

By: Bart

Bart — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 08:46:49 +0000

I understand your reluctance to modify the A/F by modifying an electronic signal.
Without going into long detail as to why this may, and often should, be done there’s an alternative, a mechanical one - the so-called CO2-extenders.
This is a short piece of pipe which retracts the sensor a bit out(away) of the gas stream, making it less sensitive and therefore it better ‘averages’ its signal sent (remember you’ve got a constant stream of HHO on a ‘randomly revving’ engine). They also cause the temperature of the sensor to drop, however this is a small (if at all) difference. Zero changes pertaining to connection or electrics/tronics, you might want to give this a try?

By: Rene

Rene — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:08:13 +0000

check out eagle-research.com, they have manuals and pre-built EFIE devices that seems to be enough cheap and simple for the rest of us.

Cheers.

By: Stuart

Stuart — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:52:51 +0000

Still good reading your experiences on this Craig.

I have done a fair bit of research on this topic and have come across some wiring diagrams to make a device to convert the signal from the oxygen sensor. There is also a lot of other stuff floating around. There are some very open people being very generous with their information out there, but the search for it isnt simple. I am happy to pass on anything I have if you are interested, you can therefore compare with the information you have in the water4gas kit. Im not happy putting my email address in the open on here but you may still be able to acess it. Let me know somehow if you cant.

Would be good if you were able to keep the testing going in some form or other, as I am very interested in your results.

Thanks for what youve done so far

Stu

By: craig

craig — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:09:15 +0000

Hi Gilly,
Thanks for your comment. I agree, however the issue we then have is that the reading we get from the A/F meter will not be accurate as it will show a consistently lean mixture because of the HHO gas that we have added to the equation.
Even with the A/F gauge installed we still have no reliable method of ensuring that the engine is not leaning out and in my mind at least that is not safe.

Regards,
Craig

By: Gilly

Gilly — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:53:32 +0000

To me it seems you have no choice but to run a pot off the Oxygen sensor and adjust by using a reliable A/F ratio gauge in dash and a ( not the Jaycar leds either). Once adjusted properly it should be ok depending on weather extremes and HHO production variances.
Good luck with it all.

By: beyondtool

beyondtool — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:16:50 +0000

Hmm, I have a 1998 carby swift that I was contemplating selling. But the idea of running it off water is very interesting and could be a pet project..

By: Hayley

Hayley — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:38:33 +0000

Hey, GREAT information, keep up the updates!