To The Thylacine: I definitely agree with you about Thermo laws. If what you are saying is correct about bond energies in the water molecules and about the H2 molecules not having any higher potential after being separated through electrolysis, then because of scientific proven laws (by the way, scientific laws are irrefutable, as opposed to theories) there will be no net gain of energy going into the engine. I’m not very familiar with bond energies, but I guess you’re right after thinking about it. There is no ‘hidden potential energy’ within water if you separate the molecules, since based on what you stated earlier, in the end you will need to supply 100 kJ (for example) of electrical work in order to get H2 and 02 molecules which will be 100 KJ richer in energy than before when they were water molecules in an ideal case (correct me if I’m wrong).

To everyone confused about Thermodynamic Laws: You cannot refute a LAW. Unlike a theory, LAWS have been proven over and over to be irrefutable. Thermodynamics is based on LAWS, so don’t try to refute it. Systems have been modeled thanks to this, including the Internal Combustion engine, Diesel Cycle, and others which I will not mention. There is no way in hell you can refute, disprove, or doubt any scientific law, once confirmed as a LAW. I mean, you can try, but odds are that the Thermodynamic Police will take you in their custody….and give a break to the engineers and their opinions. They know what they’re talking about and they’re usually here to help, not to scorn.

Craig

Although it appears that Craig isn’t willing to take the additional steps outlined in the documentation and now seems to be backing away from further testing. Too bad, as I was hoping to follow this to see if it was actually a viable alternative and the potential results of the various phases. Of course, performing just one step may not provide the optimal results and most of the other discussions have indicated that the other additions are necessary in reaching optimal results.

So, Good Luck with whatever you decide. As my comments are deleted and as further testing is not seemingly in the foreseeable plans, I guess there’s no reason to keep this one in the bookmarks.

Jim

I’m sorry that this wasn’t what you wanted it to be and glad that you at least tried to apply some methodology to your research. Good on you.

Just a passing note, I was looking up the properties of H2,(got plenty of time, lasted less than 24hours in Kuwait City…got cleaned up big time by a local woman driving a Chev Suburban while wearing the dreaded Burkah, Talk about driving blindfolded,…sunglasses and max tinted windscreen too, now got 1 plate in tibia 1 pin in fibula and six screws in various ankle bones and a lot of ouch. Passenger is still in intensive care, fortunately He’s pulling through, she hit his side of our work pick up) unfortunately in a format that I can’t cut and paste but take a look at the relative thermal energy of H2 compared to petrol or diesel
Hydrogen: 270 Btu/cubic foot: gas at 1 atmosphere and 15 degrees celsius.
Petrol: 836,000 Btu/cubic foot: liquid
Diesel: 843,700 Btu/cubic foot: liquid
(sorry its in imperial measurements but my text books were written in the dark ages)
It is comparing a liquid to a gas but that is how the Woo Woo workers supply the H2 to the engine and liquid is how the petrol is delivered. Every time you replace the atmosphere with H2 (remember that 20% of the atmosphere os Oxygen) you are reducing the potential power of the engine by several orders of magnitude. No wonder it doesn’t work.

Petrol in Kuwait City is about (AU)80 cents a (US)GALLON (21.6 cents a litre)The locals were wingeing that it’s cheaper in Saudi. Don’t need H2 boost there.

The Thylacine

“Once again I am sure this post will attract it’s fair share of comments, both negative and positive and I ask one thing, that the language be kept clean and keep the comments on topic. This site is read by people of all ages.”

I am all for having a good debate about this subject but why the anger?
It has all but been proven, to me anyway, that the these systems do not live up to the promises of the promoters (surprise, surprise) and that was the sole aim of my test.
Perhaps there is a use for this ‘technology’ but it certainly isn’t in the way these people would have the motoring masses believe.
I don’t have the knowledge or inteligence to debate the pro’s and con’s, I can only form an opinion from what I see but please debate on, just keep it clean guys.

Craig

Your actions of censorship defy the very basis of the internet. To do so without comment is inexcusable. This could be an educational and instructional thread. Yes I got sick of purile ignorant posters and went over the top, that gives you the right to tell me to tone it down, not censor. The whole notion of an anonymous ego making moral/ethical decisions on behalf of an adult group is absolutely repugnant to any form of universal sufferage. You have successfully subverted the whole purport of this medium. I can only assume that in exercising your ego you choose to remain as wilfully ignorant as those your misguided actions are supposed to be helping. Stop taking the world so seriously. It doesn’t need closed minded petty tyrants. Their egos are generally inversly proportional to their abilities anyway.
The Thylacine

Regards,
Craig