23rd January 2007

Mitsubishi Pajero Flashing 4×4 lights fix

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  I recently had the joy (ha ha) of helping a friend diagnose a problem with his Mitsubishi Pajero. I suppose the-anti-christ-thumbnail.jpgyou couldn’t even call this vehicle modern as it was a 1993 model. I hate to think what problems a 2007 model will cause down the track! The problem we had was with the ‘Super Select’ system, which when working allows you to select four wheel drive on the ‘run’. A great system no doubt, but not something you would want to stop working halfway through a drive to the ‘back of Bourke’ (a long way from civilisation for those outside Oz!) The system has five earthing switches on the transfer case and gearbox, a small control module, two vacuum switches in the engine bay and a vacuum operated gizmo (the technical term!) to engage the front hubs. That to me spells trouble in itself, a complicated system on a vehicle that is designed to take you places you normally wouldn’t go with a conventional car.

  The first issue was the green lights on the dash flashing, indicating that the hubs where trying to lock in even though the transfer lever was in two wheel drive. We tracked that down to the ‘gizmo’ on the front differential housing had vacuum to only one side of it’s diaphragm. To keep the hubs in the unlocked position it needs a vacuum supply to both sides. O.K. so once we swapped the vacuum hoses around and provided vacuum to the other side the actuator and the hubs retreated into unlocked position and the lights on the dash went out. Yee-hah. So now we had to work out why the vacuum had disappeared on one side only. We checked vacuum supply to both solenoids, checked vacuum hoses for splits or damage and checked power and earth supply to the solenoids. All good, except for the earth supply for the solenoids wasn’t great, but we reasoned if that was the cause then both solenoids would be playing up as they are wired in series. Checking the solenoid’s resistance revealed a huge difference in the two. Problem one, need to replace solenoids.

  I was still concerned by the quality of the earth provided to the solenoids. Probably not causing too much drama but just not right. We found that by using a test light connected to the positive terminal of the battery and the probe stuck into the negative side of the solenoid connection, that when we earthed the wire at the gearbox switches the earth improved drastically. Why were the switches on the gearbox and transfer case not giving a good earth? Only way to find out was to pull them out. Luckily we were doing this in a garage and not on the side of the road, bit of a mission! There was two switches that our earth wire was joined to, one on the gearbox and the other on the transfer. When we unsrewed these we found that someone had obviously tried to fix this problem previously. Where the wire goes into the switch there was lucky to be two strands of the wire left! Because the wire comes out of the side of the switch, not the top, as you screw them out if you are not careful the wire twists around itself and breaks. Luckily we were able to solder another piece of wire to what was left coming out of the switch. Another problem we found was that the switches themselves had a reasonable amount of oil inside them, not good for providing an earth. So we cleaned them out as best we could, carefully re-installed them and now we had the test light glowing like a champion. Problem two, near broken wires and switches full of oil.

  We ordered new solenoids from Mitsubishi, they only come as a pair even though we only need one! Just shy of $200.00 which I think is reasonable. We have just fitted them today and it all works like a charm. Problem solved. Looking at four wheel drive forums and web pages, it seems this problem is very common with Pajeros. For my dollars I’d much rather have the slight inconvenience of getting out of the vehicle and manually locking the hubs in, rather than relying on electronics to do it for me. You don’t want to be second-guessing when it comes to driving in difficult terrain. A brilliant idea no doubt about that, but poor execution.

Take Care and be safe on the roads.

Craig

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  1. 1 On January 31st, 2007, Darryl said:

    As all the switches on the gearbox only control the dash lights it does not matter if they all fail. As for the front diff, if the vacuum assemblies fail it goes into the lock position. About as failsafe as you can get.

    Darryl

  2. 2 On January 31st, 2007, craig said:

    I understand where your point Darryl, however the vehicle I was working on did not go into the hub lock position completely, a small amount of vacuum on the ‘unlock side’ of the actuator was keeping it from doing this. An audible clunk was heard when pulling up as the hubs where trying to lock in but once we moved off again the hubs were definately in the unlocked position. So even in 4×4 the hubs were not locking in and staying in.
    Craig

  3. 3 On April 17th, 2007, alan said:

    Thanks lads just bought this model with the same problem I tought it was going to be searous but can sort this myself might ask for your help chears Alan Irish just leaving Sydney for perth next week

  4. 4 On April 17th, 2007, craig said:

    No worries Alan, best of luck!!

  5. 5 On May 24th, 2007, laslo said:

    I recently bought a 91 glx with what souds like the same problem,when I drive in two wheel drive it sounds like the hubs are trying to engage and I get teeth grinding sound ouf the drivers side and when I stop I get a very distinctive clunk as the hub engages .I’ve got an NA sitting on the front lawn with a broken g/box,I was thinking if I could take the manual hubs of that and put them on this car?

  6. 6 On May 24th, 2007, craig said:

    Hi,
    Unfortunately the manual hubs from the NA won’t solve your problems as the 4×4 selector on the front diff still needs to work properly to engage four wheel drive. The clunk when you stop sounds exactly like the problem we were having that was caused by the vacuum solenoids providing vacuum to both sides of the actuator. This part of the problem was fixed by replacing the solenoids and I’ll bet if you do the same with your vehicle that all will be good. There is a place that sells solenoid sets for around $150.00, their website is http://www.Delicashop.com. Hope this helps you out.

  7. 7 On May 25th, 2007, laslo said:

    Hi Craig
    Thanks for the advice but the problem is not the vehicle not wanting to go into 4WD ,but the front hubs trying to engage when I only want 2WD..when I drive in 4WD I have no problems…this is what makes me think the hubs are the problem..and the problem is intermittent,I drove the car all day today in 2WD with no probs..I prefer my old 84 NA, much simpler, but it would have cost me over a grand to put another box in and the car needs other work as well ,but at least when something goes wrong I can fix myself..this 91 NH has vacuum hoses and computers, I think you can agree ,this makes diagnosing problems particularly intermittent ones ,a nightmare..

  8. 8 On May 25th, 2007, craig said:

    Hi,
    You’re absolutely right about diagnosing these systems, a bit fiddly when the problem is constant and a nightmare when intermittent! And I agree, what’s wrong with getting out and switching the hubs if you think you may need 4×4? At least you know you’ll have 4×4 when you needed! There is a good diagnosis procedure at http://4wd.blogeasy.com/article.view.run?articleID=318776, that may be helpful to you.

  9. 9 On April 9th, 2008, LEESA CHILDS said:

    MY 97 PAJERO - HAS WHAT YOU AE ALSO DESCRIBING - INTERMITTENT PROBLEM - INITIATED BY FLASHING GREEN LIGHTS ON DASH - FOLLOWED BY AN EAR PEARCING ENGINE NOISE WHICH ONLY CEASES IF I PULL OVER AND IT MAKES A “CLUNK” AND ALL IS NORMAL AGAIN. ONLY HAPPENS IN 2/3RD GEAR. I HAD A FULL COMPUTER DIAGNOSTIC INSPECTION AND HAVE BEEN TOLD IT IS A WORN DIFF LOCK BUT WITHOUT A FURTHER ” COMPREHENSIVE DIAGNOSTIC ASSESSMENT” THEY CANT DETERMINE WHETHER IT IS MECHNICAL OR ELECTRONIC - MECHANICAL BEING POSSIBLY 5K WORTH OF REPAIRS COMPARED TO ELECTRONIC OF $700. CAN ANYONE SHED ANY LIGHT ON THIS FOR ME - AFTER READING THE BLOGS - IT APPEARS THE SOLENOIDS ARE THE PROBLEMS WITH SIMILAR DIFF PROBLEMS??

  10. 10 On May 10th, 2008, Charlie Flesfader said:

    Hi there,

    I have a Dec 1989 Pajero LWB V6 auto, what was the top of the range model back then.

    After beaching it at the bottom of a big muddy slimy pool of water near the coast the other day, it emerged with an instant problem similar to what you speak of here. The front hubs were both submerged but only up to front end of side steps. JUst below dorr sills.

    On being pulled out backwards, by another 4wd, all was well, until we hit the bitumen agagin. I stopped, disengaged 4wd L and reversed a few metres to disengage Front Hub Lock and all went well - until I moved fwd agagin in 2wd and the front hubs locked up again (green light on dash).

    Tried several more times to disengage Front hubs with no joy. Thought, maybe a sensor is wet and proceeded along in 2wd with light on, but every km or less, there was a screaming, flapping kind of noise from front RH Hub, presumably attempting to engage ??

    Can find none of teh vacuum gizmos and engaging rod etc described and pictured here. Our old truck is a Dinosaur - Flintstone model Series 1 box-shape Pajero - 1989 V6 Auto. Has been faultless off road up til now - enjoyable to drive and ride in - suspension seats fantastic for our decrepit backs (wife and I).

    Can anyone help ?

    Charlie

  11. 11 On June 4th, 2008, peter said:

    hihad the same problem with my 92 pajero traced the fault what usually causes this it is the two vaccum valves on the rh inner gaurd replaced both problem solved

  12. 12 On June 22nd, 2008, Marcus Koch said:

    Hi, its interesting to finally find some info on the subject of the super select system when it goes wrong… Ours is just starting to play up, a ‘00 model NM, and shows itself by flashing the front hub lights when in 2WD. On 1 occasion it actually engaged and started to wind up the transmission which was quite concerning when you could smell the tyres working against each other. The only way for us to correct it is to switch the engine off, and restart it. Does anyone know how good the Haynes manual is to assist with locating and diagnosing these faults…?

    Cheers

  13. 13 On July 6th, 2008, James said:

    Ok my problem is a little bit different. Just come back from camping weekend with the offroad trailer tent. Had to engage 4WD and then ultimatly the central diff locks to get out on the roads. Central diff took some time to go in as was flashing for a while. When the time came to go back to 2wd the 4wd and diff lights just flashed and wouldn’t go out. Resolved the problem by swithing off the ignition and sitting there for 5 mins then starting again with the selector level in 2wd. Hopefully sounds like a leak on the vacume system. Anybody else had the problem of getting it out of 4wd?

    thanks James

  14. 14 On July 8th, 2008, Sara said:

    Hi All, I recently bought an 89 v6 Pajero Automatic, but I can’t get the 4wd to engage:/. The vehicle is in excellent condition for its age.Maybe i am doing something wrong, can anyone help me with this pls?

  15. 15 On August 2nd, 2008, wilfredo plona.jr said:

    hi! to every one might somebody can help me,i have pajero 2002 gls 3ltr auto.trans, my problem is when i used the 4LC max of 30 min in dune bashing the fuse in reverse is blowing up and my gear will stock on last gear wher i put and or the gear is totaly not working we check all the switches and is ok also the solinoid,vacume,and the actuator.can somebody advise me what else to do.thanks

  16. 16 On August 18th, 2008, wilfredo plona.jr said:

    hello to every one somebody can help me.pajero 2002 gls V6 3ltr auto trans. my problem is when i continuesly driving, in 30 min. my C/D lock orange light is flashing continuesly ,my 2 wheel indecator green light are shuting off. and try to shift in to 4wd supper select its not working also. when i switch off the engine ang turn it on as in the manaul booklet its ok again but after 30 min. or less same problem occures.
    thanks a lot

    wilfred

  17. 17 On September 4th, 2008, wilfredo plona.jr said:

    On August 18th, 2008, wilfredo plona.jr said:
    hello to every one somebody can help me.pajero 2002 gls V6 3ltr auto trans. my problem is when i continuesly driving, in 30 min. my C/D lock orange light is flashing continuesly ,my 2 wheel indecator green light are shuting off. and try to shift in to 4wd supper select its not working also. when i switch off the engine ang turn it on as in the manaul booklet its ok again but after 30 min. or less same problem occures.
    thanks a lot

    wilfred

  18. 18 On September 4th, 2008, john Gardeniers said:

    This is a bit pedantic and doesn’t really change anything related to the fix but those Paj hubs, at least those on gen 2 models, are always locked. What the actuator does is lock the front drive shaft on the left hand side. In 2WD this shaft is allowed to rotate independently. The lack of locking hubs contribute to the Pajero’s almost indestructible front drive. It’ll play up at times but won’t break like either manual or auto locking have a tendency to do.

  19. 19 On September 14th, 2008, John said:

    Hi,

    we have a pajero 91 auto and the green lights flash on the dash
    does this do any harm to the jeep?..

  20. 20 On September 15th, 2008, craig said:

    Hi John,
    Having the ‘flashing green lights’ on the dash won’t actually harm anything, it just means that one part of the ‘Super Select’ system is not working correctly.

    Depending on which part is faulty you might find that the vehicle won’t select 4×4 completely or come out of 4×4 completely. But to answer your question, no I have not heard of any cases of this issue causing any harm to the vehicle.

  21. 21 On November 23rd, 2008, Greg said:

    I am having a similar problem with my 93 model Pajero… when i select 4H or 4LC the lights starts flashing and it will not go into 4WD drive mode. Mitsubishi said it was an actuator which they replaced but did not fix the problem, now they want to replace 5 transfer switched which MAY fix the problem (For another $700.00 plus)… Is there somehow or somewhere i can go who can check what the problem is without being ripped by a Mitsubishi dealership?? Can i get non genuine switches from somewhere? Mitsubishi want $500.00 for a transfer switches… any advice would be much appreciated

  22. 22 On November 23rd, 2008, craig said:

    Hi Greg,
    It seems that 99.9% of these problems are being caused by the two vacuum solenoids located on the inner drivers side wheel arch and these can be bought from Mitsubishi for around $120.00 from memory.
    Do you know if it was these that have been previously replaced or the actuator assembly on the front diff? If it was the actuator assembly on the front diff that was replaced in my opinion I would be looking at the vacuum solenoids before replacing the switches as it is very rare that these fail.
    If we can determine what parts have already been replaced I should be able to help you sort it from there.

  23. 23 On November 23rd, 2008, nathan said:

    hi a friend on mine has brought a 91 pajero automatic and the previous owner says it wont go into 3rd gear until a sensor or something warms up he says its in that model only have you heard of this or is it bullshit

  24. 24 On November 24th, 2008, craig said:

    Hi Nathan,
    Can’t say I have ever heard of that one. Over the years I’ve driven plenty of automatic Pajero’s and Triton’s, both from a cold start and at operating temp and haven’t noticed any problems changing into third or any gear for that matter.
    I suggest a call to a auto trans specialist with experience in 4×4 transmissions just to be 100% sure but it does sound like crap to me.

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